tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post7002499582142772835..comments2024-03-16T01:00:19.876-05:00Comments on The Mad Monarchist: Monarch Profile: King Vittorio Emanuele II of ItalyMadMonarchisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-6518872353498542492017-11-07T13:55:19.749-06:002017-11-07T13:55:19.749-06:00Sign. Hans, (RE: Santa Maria Goretti) a Roma dicia...Sign. Hans, (RE: Santa Maria Goretti) a Roma diciamo che spari piu' cazzate che er cannone der Gianicolo.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00754176827770713580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-35720756935505358372014-05-02T04:02:21.725-05:002014-05-02T04:02:21.725-05:00"Each time the Pope responded with two words,..."Each time the Pope responded with two words, 'not possible'."<br /><br />I thought he wrote Latin, not English.<br /><br />The Latin I think would not have been "non possibile" but "non possumus", i e the Pope was answering that "we" (pluralis maiestatis) "cannot" (do something the King had asked).<br /><br />I think that if age limits had remained 14-12 in Nettuno, as was the case under the Popes, one Alessandro Serenelli would not have asked a girl to consent to make a child to get an exception from the 18-18 limit (as per normally under Vittorio Emmanuele II and subsequently) and then killed her when she refused because it is a sin, but would have waited the few months up to Maria Goretti's 12:th birthday and asked in a way that was not sinful, which she might not have rejected and he would not have killed her.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-13677285664881678372011-10-05T21:41:44.392-05:002011-10-05T21:41:44.392-05:00Cavour was the 'grown up' of the bunch. Ma...Cavour was the 'grown up' of the bunch. Mazzini was a whacko and Garibaldi was seen as a bit of a flake but an inspirational and useful one for Cavour's purpose. He was always popular, partly because his life reads like a dimestore adventure serial. However, I think that after the monarchy was abolished there was an effort to emphasize anyone nationalist who was a republican and to de-emphasize VE2 and his heirs.<br /><br />As for San Marino, Garibaldi was involved in that. During the wars for independence Italian nationalists often fled to San Marino to escape the authorities. Being a republic they were beyond the reach of royal influence. Garibaldi was grateful for their giving his compatriots refuge that when they decided against joining the united Italy he used his influence to see that their independence was maintained.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-11108600210341327662011-10-05T20:38:24.100-05:002011-10-05T20:38:24.100-05:00Eh, Cavour was something like the foil of both Giu...Eh, Cavour was something like the foil of both Giuseppes, keeping them in check which makes him the less of the evils in my book. Not that I consider him evil or anything, but he was some kind of a mastermind. I still don't know how revolutionaries end up as national heroes and people like Vittoro Emanuele II end up relatively marginalised to all the glamour and glory people like Garibaldi receives. "Hero of Two Worlds" is what he's called I believe but anybody with a trace of Freemasonry and support for a revolutionary republic are just a big 'no' for me. Mazzini isn't as popular I think but maybe because his uprisings were mostly failures.<br /><br />And now I see why Garibaldi fought against France initially in the Franco-Prussian War and switched sides once the Republic was proclaimed. He hated Napoleon III because he was the obstacle for Italy to conquer Rome... and the fact France annexed Savoy and Nice I guess. France seriously had a lot of power back then... now had they stayed in Mexico a bit longer... <br /><br />Something off-topic, but is there a reason why San Marino is politically independent from the whole Italian peninsula?Le Petit Princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13396710488106186707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-68420019036734483412011-10-04T21:40:45.164-05:002011-10-04T21:40:45.164-05:00Garibaldi -eh, pretty much 'yuck'. Mazzini...Garibaldi -eh, pretty much 'yuck'. Mazzini -major 'yuck'! Thankfully his lunacy was pushed aside. Cavour leaves a little bit of a sour taste in my mouth but he was not quite as bad as some of his more vehement enemies think. He could not have been all bad considering how much he Garibaldi absolutely *despised* each other.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-29491795738407728682011-10-04T19:22:19.479-05:002011-10-04T19:22:19.479-05:00This was very informative. Thank you! I remember l...This was very informative. Thank you! I remember learning about this in a class about Modern Italy, though the professor was quite reverent of Garibaldi and Mazzini, and calling Cavour the sly guy. Heh heh. Vittoro Emanuele II is a very interesting man indeed and this article refreshed a lot of what I've learned in the past.Le Petit Princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13396710488106186707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-69966545914845869162011-10-04T08:21:01.577-05:002011-10-04T08:21:01.577-05:00I agree. I would also remind those folks that the ...I agree. I would also remind those folks that the King was not responsible, really, for the loss of any of the other monarchs. They were annexed after they had already been overthrown and declared republics, whether the Central Italian Republic or Garibaldi's provisional government in Naples. When it became clear that the world was going more secular rather than less so even the Church might have wished they 'had their possum back' as in the end they accepted a less generous settlement than that which had been on offer previously.<br /><br />The King did first try to make common-cause with his fellow royals but all either reversed course or, in the case of Naples, chose to be enemies rather than allies. It is also worth pointing out that the King never tried to coerce the Pope or interfere with his person or the carrying out of his duties (as Napoleon and even past Holy Roman Emperors had done) even though he was completely within his power.<br /><br />Not an ideal situation (in my view) to be sure but that's politics, things are hardly ever ideal, people make mistakes and those mistakes have consequences but we have to learn from them and continue on.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-21091588165305913232011-10-03T23:55:17.576-05:002011-10-03T23:55:17.576-05:00The anti-Savoy folks need to get over it already. ...The anti-Savoy folks need to get over it already. <br /><br />Ultimately, Italian unification was inevitable, the country is better off for it, and its better it happened as a monarchy than as a revolutionary republic. <br /><br />Its not that I don't sympathize to a certain extent.In a perfect world, it would have been nice if the smaller monarchies could have been preserved as was done in Germany, with a sort of Italian empire, but after all reasonable attempts at peaceful confederation failed, unification through conquest was the only way. <br /><br />Ultimately, the church and the papacy are better off without having to bother with the Papal States, and Italy did offer to cede the larger Leonine City territory on two separate occasions, which failed both times for various reasons. The Holy See made its peace with the Savoy monarchy, and that should be good enough.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08368547834849724343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-74705511379863916072011-10-03T18:47:48.406-05:002011-10-03T18:47:48.406-05:00My recent rant on the subject may have scared some...My recent rant on the subject may have scared some off. Anyway, I will probably upset the other side when I cover the rest of the last pre-unification monarchs, as I plan to do shortly. Before the year is out I intend to have a post listing all the Kings of Italy (done) and the last monarchs of the pre-unification states (partly done) to finish out this anniversary year.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-27835323371298010232011-10-03T15:24:31.364-05:002011-10-03T15:24:31.364-05:00I read that when he was starting out he was advise...I read that when he was starting out he was advised by someone (the name I forget) to use our King Leopold I as his example to be a good, moderate monarch and keep his people happy and keep his throne at such a time. Maybe he took that advice.<br /><br />No comments though yet (I am first!) for such a 'hot topic'?BelgieRoyalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06180963411526753224noreply@blogger.com