tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post8185963571071790070..comments2024-03-16T01:00:19.876-05:00Comments on The Mad Monarchist: Was Austria-Hungary Doomed?MadMonarchisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-59326176773179993052019-09-22T00:10:25.623-05:002019-09-22T00:10:25.623-05:00Austria-Hungary, Military and Economic World Power...Austria-Hungary, Military and Economic World Power:<br />Second largest country in Europe.<br />Third most populated country in Europe, surpassing Italy, France and the UK.<br />Fourth largest armed forces in the planet, surpassing Italy and the UK.<br />Sixth economy of the world. Fifth among the great powers in Europe, surpassing Italy.<br />Third fastest-growing economy, surpassing the UK, France and Germany.<br />Third european country with the largest production of Coal, Iron, Industrial Machinery and Electric home appliances, surpassing Italy, Russia and France.<br />Third european country with the most extensive railroad network, surpassing Italy, the UK and France.EL ELEGIDOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02798132164622089107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-28611257740937132592019-03-05T09:04:58.438-06:002019-03-05T09:04:58.438-06:00Hello! Do you use Twitter? I'd like to follow ...Hello! Do you use Twitter? I'd like to follow you if that would be ok. 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Transform Austria-Hungary into a federation by dividing the Empire into the following states (along ethno-linguistic lines):<br /><br />Austria (German majority areas)<br />Bohemian (Czech majority areas)<br />Moravia (Czech majority areas)<br />Slovakia (Slovak majority areas)<br />Croatia (Croat majority areas)<br />Slovenia (Slovene majority areas)<br />Transylvania (Romanian catholic majority areas)<br />Ruthenia (Rusyn majority areas (present-day Zakarpattia Oblast, Ukraine)<br />East Galicia (polish majority areas)<br />west Galicia (Ukrainian roman and eastern catholic majority areas (ceding predominantly Ukrainian Eastern orthodox areas to Russia in exchange for any possible catholic majority areas in Russia)<br />Hungary (Hungarian majority areas)<br /><br />2. Establish German and Hungarian (including German and Hungarian Sign Language) as the official languages of Austria-Hungary and that all minority languages (including minority sign languages) are given the status of co-official languages in areas spoken by the majority of the population (same applying for the country's national anthem (Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser (where the National anthem can be performed in Hungarian and Hungarian sign Language as well as in the the minority languages and sign languages of Austria-Hungary).<br /><br />3. Establish Catholicism (Roman and Eastern Catholicism) as the official religion of Austria-Hungary and it shall be supported and be fully protected by the state and that all other Nicene Christian denominations and Judaism will be fully protected by state.<br /><br />Non-Nicene Christians will be converted to Nicene christian (e.g. Roman and Eastern Catholicism) or Judaism).<br /><br />4. Establish Absolute primogeniture as the form of succession to the Austro-Hungarian throne and to allow morganatic marriage.<br /><br />5. Establish peace with the following countries:<br /><br />Serbia:<br /><br />Where Austria-Hungary agrees to cede all predominantly eastern orthodox Serb areas to Serbia (whereas predominantly catholic Serb areas remain part of Austria-Hungary) and that both countries agree to collaborate in the gradual re-Christianization of Bosnia and Herzegovina where upon successfully re-Christianizing Bosnia and Herzegovina (to Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (potentially establishing the Bosnian Orthodox church), Austria-Hungary and Serbia both agree on the full independence and recognition of a Bosnian and Bosnian speaking Bosnia and Herzegovina (excluding Croat majority areas (which shall remain part of Austria-Hungary) and Serb majority areas (which shall be part of Serbia).<br /><br />Romania:<br /><br />Where Austria-Hungary agrees to cede all predominantly eastern orthodox Romanian areas to Romania (whereas predominantly catholic Romanian areas as well as predominantly Hungarian areas remain part of Austria-Hungary)<br /><br />Italy:<br /><br />Where Austria-Hungary agrees to cede all predominantly Italian areas of the County of Tyrol to the Kingdom of Italy (including Italian majority areas in the Istrian peninsula) whereas the predominantly German areas of the County of Tyrol will remain part of Austria-Hungary and that any predominantly German and Slovene areas in the Kingdom of Italy will be ceded to Austria-Hungary).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12962668217998778411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-22112745519449492842017-12-09T19:32:10.147-06:002017-12-09T19:32:10.147-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12962668217998778411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-28738256260851736872012-10-21T14:05:00.750-05:002012-10-21T14:05:00.750-05:00There is no doubt the Hapsburg dynasty had it'...There is no doubt the Hapsburg dynasty had it's problems, and one was indeed organization within the military. I have read that by World War I, German and Magyar(Hungarian) were the official army languages and some units had to have orders in up to ten languages! Another fact, this one of Adolf Hitler, is that he could have been among the greats mentioned as part of the glory of Austria-Hungary. When rejected by the Vienna Art Academy, he was said to be not without talent and was recommended for architecture. He was unable to do so for lack of funds. Pieces of his paintings have survived and they are equals to the works of celebrated amateurs like Winston Churchill and Eisenhower. When it came to economics, the Empire was behind the West, but was developing well, like Imperial Germany, Austria-Hungary had expanded it's economy and industry rapidly, outdoing the first industrial nation Great Britain. Finally, the one mistake by the Hapsburg dynasty was to give an unrealistic ultimatum to Serbia following Franz Ferdinand's death. It was a Bosnian nationalist who did it, Serbian involvement is questionable, Germany only halfheartedly supported the Empire's claim, and the Russian Empire would of course move to support it's Slavic ally to put pressure on the Germanic Riechs to the West. Thus, the collapse was avoidable and was to be caused by short-term thinking nationalists, over-confident militarists, and jealous socialists/democrats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-79541511922040099582012-09-13T11:30:22.029-05:002012-09-13T11:30:22.029-05:00The A-H Empire outperformed the French industry by...The A-H Empire outperformed the French industry by 1910<br /><br />The empire's heavy industry has mostly focused on machine building, especially for the electric power industry, locomotive industry and automotive industry, while in light industry the precision mechanics industry was the most dominant. Throughout the years leading up to WWI the country has become the 4th biggest machine manufacturer of the world.<br /><br />Max-Stephan Schulze (1996). Engineering and Economic Growth: The Development of Austria-Hungary's Machine-Building Industry in the Late Nineteenth Century. Frankfurt am Main: Peter Lang. p. 295.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07906293965015133743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-63795941321853643422011-07-09T14:31:54.160-05:002011-07-09T14:31:54.160-05:00When I wrote that I was sure someone would take is...When I wrote that I was sure someone would take issue with some of the "great minds" listed -but I didn't think it would take this long. So, finally I have the chance to say that their inclusion should not be taken as my opinion as to their worthiness (some had ideas I very strongly oppose). My only intention was to show people widely praised by the world at large to demonstrate that Austria-Hungary had a vibrant intellectual life and was not some stagnant, doomed power waiting to die.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-48825775590482479132011-07-09T08:21:22.390-05:002011-07-09T08:21:22.390-05:00Meynert and Freud seem more into the Prussian line...Meynert and Freud seem more into the Prussian line, than the Austrian, intellectually speaking.Hans Georg Lundahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055583255516264955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-54683087905645235132011-04-06T13:16:14.792-05:002011-04-06T13:16:14.792-05:00It was an terrible thing to europe the fall of Aus...It was an terrible thing to europe the fall of Austria-Hungary, Germany and the Tsarist Russia it meaned the end of hundreds of years of monarchy and conservatism and the rise of comunism and facism.<br /><br /> I personaly hate wilson because the so-called principle of nationalities destroyed the old order and also Clemencau because he rejected the leter send by Charles the Blessed, also both mens are partialy guilty of the rise of Hitler and Mussolini.<br /><br /> The europeans powers should make and military aliance instead of fight for Alsace-Lorraine and Constantinople the WWI couldn't happen.<br /><br /> Hi from Argentina.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-65941503769372677422010-11-22T23:13:43.604-06:002010-11-22T23:13:43.604-06:00Absolutely, both because the political parties in ...Absolutely, both because the political parties in both countries were well established and not welcoming to new competition and because, frankly, someone of Hitler low social background could never have risen so high. Plus, even if he had, either Kaiser could have sacked him as soon as he stepped out of line.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-21415477592139219842010-11-22T22:04:21.811-06:002010-11-22T22:04:21.811-06:00If the Austrian monarchy had survived, indeed the ...If the Austrian monarchy had survived, indeed the German monarchies at that, would they have been able to avert the rise of National Socialism and Adolf Hitler?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-29727841433401738722010-11-20T00:29:53.871-06:002010-11-20T00:29:53.871-06:00I don't see anything that really contradicts w...I don't see anything that really contradicts what I said; of course it was not my intention to write at length on the historiography of the military career of Conrad von Hötzendorf -I think you've done a good job of that right here. My only point was that he was probably the most highly esteemed strategic thinker in Central Europe in his lifetime. Which we was, so Austria was certainly not viewed as militarily weak or inconsequential, which was the only point I was trying to make.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-44255993644903370942010-11-19T14:00:56.347-06:002010-11-19T14:00:56.347-06:00A good post, but I must respectfully disagree abou...A good post, but I must respectfully disagree about the relatively high marks you give to Field Marshal Graf von Hötzendorf. The botch he made of Austro-Hungarian mobilization in 1914 should have itself been enough to secure his relief -- he had evidence for weeks that Russia was likely to intervene on behalf of Serbia, but he dithered about the disposition of the Austrian reserves -- chiefly 2nd Army -- first opting (crazily) to send it towards the Serbian border, then (mid mobilization) realizing he needed it in Galicia, where he had originally, and correctly, planned to have it in the first place. The resulting confusion snarled the railroads and prevented 2nd Army from timely appearing in either place.<br /><br />His plans in 1914 were generally deficient, primarily because they were too offensive. He underated the military effectiveness of the Serbs, as is well known; but his plans for Austro-Hungarian offensives in Galicia were too ambitious, he had too few troops for too large a front, and in any case was considerably outnumbered -- the Russians had almost 300,000 more troops than he did (still outnumbered him even with 2nd Army) and his deployment was too spread out for offensive operations -- his main attacking force, 1st Army, itself too isolated to do much good. As things fell out, the Field Marshal's conduct of the Galician campaign, and its sequel in Poland in 1915, was extremely rash, and resulted in terrible defeats from which the Imperial and Royal armies never recovered. <br /><br />In reality, the Austrians, inferior in both numbers and good artillery -- had no business whatever attacking either in Galicia or Serbia until the issue was clearer in France. That help was going to be forthcoming anyway: either the Germans would win quickly in the west and be freed to move troops easth; or else things would bog down, either in northern France or on the German fortress line in Lorraine; at which time the Prussians would ultimately come round to their logical next move -- which was to go after the weak sisters among the allies -- Russia and Serbia.<br /><br />Conrad's defenders say that an offensive in Galicia was needed to support the Germans, and there is something to that, but he knew very little about the German plans, and in any case, his own offensive conceptions were too grandiose in Galicia. That appears to have been Conrad's problem more generally: he had excellent paper plans for offensives -- if he had a German army, as well as German logistical underpinnings to support them -- and Austria-Hungary had neither. Of all people, Graf von Hötzendorf should have been aware of this: a great general is as aware of the weaknesses of the instrument in his hands as he is the strengths.<br /><br />The Austrians, in fact, had no business whatever going to war with Russia -- and that was the logical outcome of Conrad's wish-dream of destroying Serbia, which he had consistently urged since at least 1906. Austria-Hungary was certainly capable of doing that, but only if there was no Russian front (or the prospect of one, so that Austria could have the use of the troops that would otherwise be in Galicia). Unfortunately for Austria and for Europe, that condition simply never obtained. <br /><br />An examination of the Graf's behavior in the 1914 crisis leads one to think that he really didn't care what Russia did, so long as he got his cherished opportunity to smash the Serbs. He totally deprecated the chances of Russia coming in and even when it was apparent the Russians were going to make good on their promises to stand by Serbia, he consistently trespassed on Graf Berchtold's baliwick and pushed for war with Serbia, as if Russia were not there.<br /><br />The Field Marshal was certainly loyal, and had a good understanding of the threat that the fanatics running Serbia posed to the Empire, but his narrow focus on that problem, and his misuse of the Empire's rather threadbare military resources, when war finally came did much to ensure that Austria Hungary could not survive.El Jefe Maximohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661511063910659377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-9667725037139685172010-11-16T19:52:44.592-06:002010-11-16T19:52:44.592-06:00Good post Mad Monarchist. Out of curiousity, have ...Good post Mad Monarchist. Out of curiousity, have you read through <i>The Decline and Fall of the Hapsburg Empire 1815-1918</i> by Alan Sked? I only read the part on the consitutional issues that developed the dual monarchy for an essay in modern history at Uni, but the thesis definitely interested me.Professor Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00659779116600213901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-29207678374524664682010-11-16T15:07:59.023-06:002010-11-16T15:07:59.023-06:00WIRTH so much conspiray to destory the Austrian-Hu...WIRTH so much conspiray to destory the Austrian-Hungerian Empire, and so much a push for Modernity as opposed to the Traiditionalism of the Hapsburgs, I can't help but be reminded of the passage from Galatians Chapter 6:7. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.<br /><br />It seems to me the push for Modernity lead to its natural results, results we are still paying for, and which we are too blind to see was bad.<br /><br />Though I do disagree on one point: I thinkt he AustrioHungerian Empire woudl have collapsed anyway, if not due to the War, then by the mechanations of the Liberal trends in society. They woudl have targeted it and, liek Britain today, eroded it from the inside out.ZAROVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668854596329493360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-71957879238249323772010-11-16T08:33:34.478-06:002010-11-16T08:33:34.478-06:00Wilson's call for national self-determination ...Wilson's call for national self-determination did not help but he does not deserve to be singled out "especially" when the French and British governments had already planned and promised the carve-up of Austria-Hungary long before America ever entered the war. They had already promised parts of Austria-Hungary to Romania, Serbia and Italy in addition to making common cause with the nationalist enemies of the empire so even if Wilson had played no part at all in the peace talks there would have been nothing of Austria-Hungary left anyway.<br /><br />There were internal enemies to be sure but I think they could have been handled had it not been for the war which proved to be a disaster for everyone involved.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-90226455382780596412010-11-16T07:21:57.955-06:002010-11-16T07:21:57.955-06:00Your argument is sound and rings true. The Empire ...Your argument is sound and rings true. The Empire was intentionally destroyed with the help of a small cadre of 5th columnists within and especially by Woodrow Wilson who sought the demise of the Hapsburg throne.......to his regret. Churchill stated many years after, had a Hapsburg remained on the throne, the Hitlerite monster would not have crawled out of the sewer. Hindsight is always 20-20. Lesson to be learned - DO NOT TOUCH the Monarchies - they are the last balwark against the barbarians and Tolkien's "Orc."<br /><br />Love your websiteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-56312178155534204362010-11-16T07:09:32.317-06:002010-11-16T07:09:32.317-06:00great article.
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