tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post6650442112378137105..comments2024-03-16T01:00:19.876-05:00Comments on The Mad Monarchist: Mad Rant: Getting Fed Up with QuebecMadMonarchisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-63948445170156468332016-07-10T10:21:38.027-05:002016-07-10T10:21:38.027-05:00My experiences are somewhat dated, I'm afraid....My experiences are somewhat dated, I'm afraid.<br />Living in a small Northern Ontario mining community back in the 1960's...the real divide between Anglophones and Francophones seemed to revolve around two most important issues, whether the Toronto Maples Leafs were able to win over the Montreal Canadians and whether LaBatts Beer was more flavourful than Molsons. Serious issues? Maybe !<br />....and then Charles DeGaule came upon the scene, as cheerleader for Separation....<br /><br />Viva La Quebec....Viva Canada, alljuleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06558180413271953792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-74180778094467557252011-07-10T20:51:42.175-05:002011-07-10T20:51:42.175-05:00Thank you. I hope none take this as being anti-Que...Thank you. I hope none take this as being anti-Quebec, it is anti-the radical republican element which has (sadly) come to dominate the province. And speaking of Ireland, it is true that the Irish once said that they would be perfectly happy within the British Empire if only they were treated as well as Quebec! And this was before the repatriation of the constitution as well.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-81317816218594446962011-07-10T18:12:32.984-05:002011-07-10T18:12:32.984-05:00Speaking as an Irish-French Canadian who was born ...Speaking as an Irish-French Canadian who was born in Quebec, I appreciate your rant! Well done!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-40449380810521574152011-07-07T21:06:01.776-05:002011-07-07T21:06:01.776-05:00The roots of this could be traced to the "Qui...The roots of this could be traced to the "Quiet Revolution" of the 60s and Quebec's secularisation. Which basically means the values of the French Revolution infected Quebec society.<br /><br />You get two distinct nationalist traditions in places like the Basque Country and Catalonia, also relevant for Ireland and Quebec. One is more conservative and Catholic, the other is revolutionary and Jacobin. The Quebec separatists and Irish Republicans form the latter tradition. In Quebec, nobody has had the guts to combine Quebec identity with traditionalist perspectives, not for 50 years.David Votoupalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10580606716887515975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-37911804461593584042011-07-07T17:09:30.749-05:002011-07-07T17:09:30.749-05:00It struck me as odd as well. I thought it only nat...It struck me as odd as well. I thought it only natural they would have an attachment to France but surprisingly, those I encountered anyway, had none. Even in World War I and World War II they were most opposed to Canada going to war even when the cause was defending France. It is a common revolutionary mentality though, they detest everyone and anyone who does not think exactly as they do.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-64940253972939389842011-07-07T16:59:26.635-05:002011-07-07T16:59:26.635-05:00They detest France? How odd. That's where they...They detest France? How odd. That's where they get their uniqueness in Canada. But so be it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-28835641296622079022011-07-07T16:06:38.636-05:002011-07-07T16:06:38.636-05:00He is what he is. he's still too Democratic fo...He is what he is. he's still too Democratic for my taste and still a Politician. he's better than his predessessor, though.ZAROVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668854596329493360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-47316511778508513642011-07-07T08:20:04.729-05:002011-07-07T08:20:04.729-05:00So what does our gracious host or any of you think...So what does our gracious host or any of you think of Stephen Harper in the context of Quebec? Is he a good prime minister?Petrus Augustinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296159071531531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-5843138254056244802011-07-07T03:15:00.029-05:002011-07-07T03:15:00.029-05:00Yes, it's an old story; "I support democr...Yes, it's an old story; "I support democracy so long as the majority agrees with me..."MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-20431995541441692652011-07-07T02:08:20.961-05:002011-07-07T02:08:20.961-05:00I think Rob is right on the mark. No one really be...I think Rob is right on the mark. No one really believes in Democracy, because its untenable. People prefer Democracy because it gives in to what the Revolutionaries wanted all along, the ability to radically reshape a nation based on Ideology.<br /><br />The entire basis of modern Democracy is wrongheaded. We don’t have rational independent people coming together in a big room to talk over the issue until there is a consensus, we have a divisive electoral process which is lead by Ideologues. The Ideologues can never really live in peace after an election fails to go their way, because the entire purpose for their lives is to impose a specific agenda onto society, so they agitate till the popularity contest has them victorious then proceed to safeguard the Agenda by making it illegal to vote against it. EG, like in France where no ones allowed to support a Royal Restoration.<br /><br />Quitbequis don’t even really want Independence, not even the Radical Separatists. They just want to dominate Quebec howsoever they see fit, force their own agenda, but still have freedom to cross into other Canadian provinces, and take Canadian Money. They essentially are spoiled brats who think they should set their own rules for everything and everyone else needs to pay for it.<br /><br />Its all rather a joke, but it sums up Liberalism over all. Its all about forcing others to do things you way.ZAROVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668854596329493360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-79292548001399916682011-07-06T21:34:28.420-05:002011-07-06T21:34:28.420-05:00From what I can tell, that's a non-issue since...From what I can tell, that's a non-issue since Dublin doesn't really want Northern Ireland anyway. They used to talk a good game but don't even bother with that anymore. The bottom line is that the majority want to remain in the UK and the Republic of Ireland doesn't care enough to make a fuss over it. Most are burnt out I think.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-89870824606977578832011-07-06T20:02:50.168-05:002011-07-06T20:02:50.168-05:00Well, in Ireland it's a bit more complicated t...Well, in Ireland it's a bit more complicated than that. IRA is definitely leftist but not Catholic. On that grounds, I wouldn't call Catholic, pro-united Ireland (horribile dictu: Republican) Irish people leftist. As a Roman Catholic Monarchist it's hard for me to fathom that Catholic Republicans are up against Protestant Monarchist. On which side would I fight?Petrus Augustinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296159071531531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-34362912420818981292011-07-06T19:15:06.793-05:002011-07-06T19:15:06.793-05:00This seems to be a recurring problem with Commonwe...This seems to be a recurring problem with Commonwealth realms. Self-determination is supposed to be something that all democratic countries are committed to respect, but whenever the results displease the new militant left, all of a sudden democracy isn't good enough for them. <br /><br />Canada has Quebec, the United Kingdom has Northern Ireland, and New Zealand has Tokelau. <br /><br />In all cases, the local population has demonstrated time and again that it is overwhelmingly in favor of maintaining the status quo, yet in each case the left continues to agitate for separation, attempting to impose their will on the population, while at the same time accusing the central government of being undemocratic.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08368547834849724343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-40772085505208410692011-07-06T18:16:51.193-05:002011-07-06T18:16:51.193-05:00They should be loyal because she is the lawful sov...They should be loyal because she is the lawful sovereign of their country. Were it not for their bad behavior they would not bother me at all. If they want to leave -leave! If not, stay and behave yourself. Also, based on my experience, most of these trouble-maker types in Quebec detest France only slightly less than England (which surprised me when I first began to notice it). They blame the French for 'selling them out'. They are typical socialist malcontents who are only happy when they are miserable.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-70613550649399794962011-07-06T17:44:21.189-05:002011-07-06T17:44:21.189-05:00As for Quebec, I am, in all honesty, indifferent. ...As for Quebec, I am, in all honesty, indifferent. While they should be loyal to their Queen, they are also not exactly part of the Anglosphere, if I may call it that, which comprises most of the Commonwealth. So I wouldn't be against, say, re-attachment to France (though they practically speak another language entirely) or even autonomy. It leaves me indifferent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-21156776575433191012011-07-06T16:45:22.461-05:002011-07-06T16:45:22.461-05:00I simply do not wish to be incorrect, and I really...I simply do not wish to be incorrect, and I really should not allow myself to slip into languages I have not mastered (though I've mastered none) nor are there any fluent French speakers around here for me to enlist as an editor. I used to speak really bad German, but the only person nearbye I could converse with died some years ago and now I don't even speak it badly, so I try not to use it at all.<br /><br />Besides, if you noticed it more than once many others must have and I do not wish to offend those who speak one of my favorite languages. I think it's funny. My attempts at French are bad enough that I'm being corrected by a Norwegian. Surely not a good sign!MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-58139892786829731772011-07-06T16:31:57.187-05:002011-07-06T16:31:57.187-05:00Well, sir, it did not offend me. Perhaps I should ...Well, sir, it did not offend me. Perhaps I should have used another wording. Perhaps I even should have given you a notice through e-mail, but then again your e-mail address is not announced.<br /><br />I am all for my fellow monarchist writing a best language possible, but we of course all make mistakes, and if my note causes my fellow monarchist to shy away from all foreign languages, I find it sad.J.K. Baltzersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00096616644588479917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-67218226119081159772011-07-06T14:56:15.334-05:002011-07-06T14:56:15.334-05:00Perhaps because French is not my first or even sec...Perhaps because French is not my first or even second language? I do not "insist" on it but if my efforts at it are such a bother that it seems I inist on doing things incorrectly I have tried to remove any such offending attempts and will refrain in the future.<br /><br />My Spanish is not much better and if my incorrect English bothers anyone -well, we're just slap outta luck.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-45148618836392507802011-07-06T13:57:18.049-05:002011-07-06T13:57:18.049-05:00With all due respect, sir, why do you insist on us...With all due respect, sir, why do you insist on using the abbreviated French article even when the following word is not a singular word starting with a vowel sound?J.K. Baltzersenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00096616644588479917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-57713785447071929372011-07-06T08:47:04.140-05:002011-07-06T08:47:04.140-05:00Perhaps an independent Quebec could recognize the ...Perhaps an independent Quebec could recognize the French crown and provide them with a new nation to rule over in Quebec by inviting them to rule. — too bad this is the 21st century....Alfred Templehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16104005516991383982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-83296451310603569492011-07-06T02:39:05.963-05:002011-07-06T02:39:05.963-05:00Bravissimo.
As a Western Canadian, I'd be qui...Bravissimo.<br /><br />As a Western Canadian, I'd be quite happy to see Quebec go for real independence. It would, at the least, deprive that province's uniquely terrible taker class of my tax dollars.<br /><br />At the same time, they might have to face reality and give up some of their welfare socialism once they realize the math doesn't add up without extortion money from the Rest of Canada.<br /><br />The worst model is the current one of "profitable federalism" where they wail and cry and threaten to secede until all their demands are met.<br /><br />Vive le Quebec libre! Vive la Reine!Kalim Kassamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00366464572139539557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8783969302315257415.post-75098476857125182992011-07-06T00:59:56.338-05:002011-07-06T00:59:56.338-05:00Hey MM,
Don't you know that as long as you...Hey MM,<br /><br />Don't you know that as long as you're living under a monarchy you're not really free because the will of the majority isn't done, even if the will of the majority is to have a monarchy? :)<br /><br />But seriously, now, you're absolutely right, and republicans all over the Debritished Uncrowned Commonpoor are equally ridiculous. <br /><br />God Save The Queen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com